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Mass Combat 101

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A tutorial run by Master of the Hunting Mist (2xp), for Stilled Silence and Cracked Effigy.

 

 

= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Aight."

-= OOC =- Davon Timinus says, "Heyo!"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So. What is it that I can do for you?"

-= OOC =- Davon Timinus says, "Me and stilled wanna learn Mass combat, I'm at say Beginner level. Stilled is at .... *looks at stilled*"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "eh, who, wha?"

-= OOC =- Davon Timinus says, "actually to make this easier... one moemnt"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Ah."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright. In Mass Combat, the first thing to remember is that the unit is like an artifact or weapon that the Commander wields."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Everything you do, as a unit, is going to run off of the commander's stats. Anything the Commander does, will be based off of their ability, limited by War."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "handy that"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, Ma-Ha-Suchi as a commander is nearly unbeatable compared to Heroic Mortal commanding a unit."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "It gets exponentially worse when Charms and might are factored in. We'll get to that."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, how do you two want to learn this? By explanation, or example?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "example is often far better for me"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright. Davon?"

Cracked Effigy says, "Fine by me"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "kk. Both of you have a unit drawn up?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, " <_< >_> <_<"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "'I happen to."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Stilled is a lazy bum. ;)"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Let's hear it. Stilled, think about who're you're recruiting, and we'll pound out the stats."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence does, but I'm not at all sure if the stats are right.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "in fact, I'm pretty sure they're wrong."

Cracked Effigy says, "Me and stilled kinda have exactly the same troups, but her's are 5 more mag than mine."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "good point"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Then we'll go through them, and I'll show you how I process this stuff."

Stilled Silence says, "http://exaltedonline.pbworks.com/PC%3A-Stilled-Silence"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Awesome"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "10 melee is wayyyyy to high"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "see. :P"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "HM is the teacher, and I'm here to learn, Stilled you have access to a printer?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, step one. Unit composition. Or, who the heck are these people?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "hardened killer war ghosts!"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Same here ;)"

Cracked Effigy *cough*

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "K. Mag 8 is about 2501-5000 troops, and how many in your unit, Eff?"

Cracked Effigy says, "I have 35 non-extra warghosts, basically 100 extras worth."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Non-extra? How'd you wrangle that?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "non-extra?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Cause it doesn't matter"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I have less"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "it's a huge deal"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "oh, right"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "My numbers are off, one moment"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Well, you'll either have a mag 3 or mag 4 unit as soon as we know."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Basically about 80"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "250 extras worth"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Mag 3, sorry."

Cracked Effigy says, "Mag 4, dab smack in the iddle"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Sorry, mag for, if you're able to make them non-extras somehow."

Cracked Effigy says, "Hold on.... I'm tired and reading this wrongly"

Cracked Effigy says, "Abyssal commadn 3, 100 war ghosts, I have non extras so about 33"

Cracked Effigy says, "Stilled has between 2000 and 4000"

Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Sure. It's just that this ,atter for somethings. So, Stilled, Mag 8, Eff, Mag 3"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "How I got them was this, I'm stilled's lt. I'm there to be fast/'the hammer' She is a massive mag10 zombie hoard anvil."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence can make a 5-10k zombie horde as a 5 long tick action, but that's another story.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Base stats are even across theboard, or are averaged at any rate."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Stilled's individual ghosts stats are correct, her mass numbers are off."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You take the +Acc of their melee weapon, + Dex + Ability."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "oh good, phone..."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "That would be 4+4+1+1(spec)"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Divide by two. This is the unit's Close Combat Rating."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "A right proper 5"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "This is added as autosuxx to your melee attack rolls."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Which is limited by your War."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "right?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Before formation multipliers"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Divide by two again, round up, and you have your PDV adder from the unit onto the commander's PDV."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Not yet."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Fair enough"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "That is for the final set of calculations."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright, if they have a ranged weapon, the same thing, without a DV adder."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Repeating Crossbows"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Dex + Ability + Acc, divide by 2."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I don't know where a RC is, so I'll say4+1+0"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence returns.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright. Calculating Damage Rating. Weapon Damage + Strength of average unit member. Divide by three."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Looks to be Str4/+5L for an ax"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Now, do you know your respective unit's Drill?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "5"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "kk. That factors into a lot of things."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Eff, that means their CCDR is 3"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Does Overwhelming/Piercing mean anything in Mass Combat?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Drill + avg Stamina is the unit's Endurance."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Nope."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "What weapon traits do?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "so endurance 8"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Oh, right. Armour rating: Average armour soak, Lethal only, and divide by three."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "The Commander's."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Morale is average Valour."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "morale is perfect"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I see."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "And finally, we get to Special Units."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "For the moment, for where our armies are concerned, consider all our special unites relays"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You can have double your mag in special units. However...with a mag over 2 for both of you, half of them have to be Relays."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "well, why?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "But please go through what they can do."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "No, we're going all the way with this, Eff."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Fair enough"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "There are Heroes, Sorcerers and Relays. Heroes are sub-officers and melee people who can break from the parent unit and act as a solo unit on their own."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "If the commander goes down, they can step in."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "They can attack with their own stats against the enemy unit with the same timing as the Commander, not getting unit bonuses."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "And they can break off entirely and go nuts as a Solo Unit."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "They are almost never extras. Possibly because they're expected to take over if the Commander falls."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "They can also have their stats used as the Commanders, with the Commander still in charge, so the Heroe's stats limited by the Commander's War ability."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Sorcerers."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "In a word, snipers."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, " wait"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Mmm?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "nevermind"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "I was thinking something, but it stupid."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "bring it up"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Moving on. They can lead the attack in missile fire, like the Hero can in melee, still limited by the Commander's War."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "They can make ranged attacks independent of the unit, without the unit's bonuses, with the same timing as the Commander."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "They can not lead, nor break off and become a solo unit."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Can't they also cast spells?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Technically, yes. Any special unit that is not a relay also have their full Charm use."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "That's for later."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Units are punished if they don't have enough relays. In units of Mag 3+, they're necessary. Without one relay per level of magnitude, a unit can only be in Unordered formation, take a -2 hit to their drill, until the Commander promotes other members to be relays."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "yucky"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yep. Make sure you have enough."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So. Might. The supernatural force your unit is bringing to bear."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Ghost warriors puts you solidly at Might 2."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "3 by core techincally"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I've brought up the discrepancy to kukla and mela, they said to err to core."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Any artifacts they are all equipped with, any talismans, add to this. The whole unit needs to be equipped with it."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Huh. You're right. Might 3. Saw Ghost warriors and stopped there."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "heee :)"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, you all have a good idea what your unit stats are now?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "ccr: 5, ccdr: 3, rr: 3, endurance 8, drill 5, might 3, AR: probably 3"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "We have shields, do they matter?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yes, against ranged attacks. Oh, with that, switching from one to the other takes a command action in war."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So you have to declare how your units are set up at the beginning of war."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "A join war roll is Wits + War - Magnitude."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "What are your pools for a Join War roll?"

(Judge) Stilled Silence rolls Wits + War: [ -1- 2 3 4 4 5 6 7 8 ]

        Resulting in 2 successes.

Stilled Silence says, "applicable excellency, of course"

Stilled Silence says, "and war/tactics whenever that is relevant"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Tactics. Hrm. If it was command, I'd say yes. So, did you subtract your unit's magnitude fromt hat?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I have War/The Undead"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "That applies."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, SS, your actual Join War pool is 1 die, before you start modifying for excellencies."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Eff? Join War pool?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "yeah, mag 8 is hard to deal with like that"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "13 - Mag, which is 3"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Mag 8 is a lumbering beast."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence wants to break that up.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "eventually."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Then, Eff, you have a distinct advantage over SS in this case."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "At first."

(Judge) Stilled Silence rolls 1: [ 2 ]

        Resulting in a failure.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "wewt"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Right. Eff?"

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls Wits + War + War/Undead - 3: [ -1- 2 2 3 5 6 6 <10> <10> <10> ]

        Resulting in 6 successes.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, Eff is on tick 0, SS is on tick 6"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "How are your troops deplayed, SS, Eff?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Er, deployed?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Depends on distance I assume"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "since they're shit archers, I'd assume close."

Cracked Effigy says, "Close it is then"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "This is where you have to think about how you're starting your folks off. Well, if you're unordered formation, you're going to be dead slow. Close is also slow, Relaxed is fast, and Skirmish is fastest."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, weapon and shield deployed?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Yes"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "axes for now."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "will probably change"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Me and stilled kinda gotta talk on that one"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Oh?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods. Trying to figure out what would be generally best.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Ah."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Well, keep it the way it is for now."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "We'll assume you're in range to get in and whack the mag 8 unit."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Probably the case, it's going to take her six minutes to get her unit in order."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Your unit, Eff, if moving (avg Dex of unit member) x 30 yards"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Which is three, so 90 yards per tick."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "dex 4, they've been boosted."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright, 120 yards per tick, over six ticks is 720 yards. You're likely in range."

(Judge) Hunting Mist rolls: 10 [ 1 3 3 4 8 8 9 9 10 10 ]

         Successes: 6

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Is back"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Sorry was in a balance conversation with Viper. Its tough talking combat balance with someone who doesn't do it."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Let's say 600 yards out to start."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "So we aren't next to one another?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Heh."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "I rolled randomly."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "It'll take you exactly five ticks, so you're going to hit her on tick 4."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Okay"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright. Fun time. Eff, step one, declare attack and any Charm use."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Alright, here is the question. My unit uses Axes. I use MA, is this a problem?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "they use MA?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "oh, you do."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "No, Eff does."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Hrm. No. Your attack is your attack."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Okay"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I'll use First MA excellency. And I'll attack"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "It reads 'Standard ability rating or her War rating, whichever is less...'"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "How much are you pumping into it?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Gusto 8"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright, keep that in mind. Stilled, Step 2, declare defense and any Charm use."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "well, not *any* charm use, but step 2 charm use. :)"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "what could be reasonably appropriate here. I thought that SoK got rid of that whole 'dodging your entire unit' stuff."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Sure. And no, you just have to stunt any personal Charms to target your unit with it."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "they did"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I didn't htink you could perfect for your entire army without a War tag on the charm"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You won;t get any stunt dice for it, or anything. No, I read this just a few hours ago."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "well, I won't. Just for interest's sake"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "so nothing at step 2, but I'm gonna vengeful riposte in step 9 since that should be pretty easy to justify in the future."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "'Well...this'll get interesting. Quoting: Stunting also offers a way to extend the benefits of a"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Stunting also offers a way to extend the benefits of a personal Charm to a complementary unit under the characters command. As described on page 162 of Exalted, a commander can extend the effects of reflexive or supplemental Charms to a unit under her command, if the player can think of a way that the Exalts use of the Charm could inspire her troops to greater effort or that repeated use of the Charm could translate into a net benefit for the combat unit as a whole. Such extraordinary actions fall outside"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "the normal rules that govern Charms or combat, but such actions do constitute a cool and dramatically appropriate use of the characters powers and surroundingsthe very definition of a stunt."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Anyways. Eff, Gimme your War, your MA and your Acc and any applicable specialties."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Side note, Mela is so happy more people can help officiate Mass Combat after this."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Well, I suspect I'll get bonus xp for running this session, along with the normal +reccs. Thanks, guys."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "My War is 5, my MA is 5, ACC is...+4"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "So do I roll dem bones?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Then you're okay for the War-cap thing. Add your Excellency dice to that. And we move onto the Unit bonuses."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Not yet."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "kk"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "CCR was a 5"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Double that for being in Close Formation."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Add Might, a three."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Your War is high enough to take full advantage...what's your War + Specialty?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "8"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Well, if they could get a die pool that high, that's the max you can have from their CCR."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, now you roll them bones, and add 13 autosuxx."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Oh, right. Forgot the Magdifference."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Can you normally stunt this stuff?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Stunt what?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Attack rolls?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "your attack? I do believe so."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "For white room purposes, shall we say 2 die stunts are the norm of the day? Or 1?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "No mention of it *whatsoever*, other than the aformentioned Charm use. I'll have to look it up in detail."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "typically if the question is 'can I stunt?' the answer is yes."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Oh, nm, just found it. Yes, you can stunt."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Right, so it's going to be the attack roll, plus only 10 autosuxx (-3 from Mag difference), plus any dice from Stunts. Eff? You stunting?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "really, just -3?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "it's only half mag diff?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "That's the most it can get, just like the App difference."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "ahh, ok"

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls Dexterity  + Martial_arts   + 4 + 2: [ -1- 2 3 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 8 ]

        Resulting in 1 successes.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "defaulte 2 die stunts?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Missed a few dice"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence likes that for now.

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls 6: [ 2 2 2 4 6 9 ]

        Resulting in 1 successes.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yeah. You have to type out 'Martial Arts"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Wow... horrible dice."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "2 on 17...pretty sweet."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Wow, that was like, the suckiest roll I've seen in a while..."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Gaia can you fix my spec so its Martial_arts/Tiger_Claws instead of Martial_Arts/Tiger Claws?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "So it will roll?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "it may not even then"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "craft_magitech/automatons doesn'twork well"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Actually I'm missing 5 more dice too... doh"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "nevertheless, changed"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "5 + 5 + 3 + 5 + 3 + 4 + 2"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "12 suxx. Stilled, your personal PDV and your units CCR/2, plus double their melee shield bonus."

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls 5: [ -1- 3 4 4 5 ]

        Resulting in a Botch!

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "HA"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Wow. Wow, wow, wow."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "2 suxx on 27 dice. That hawt"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Still 12 suxx. Stilled?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "ccr/2 = 3. shield bonus = 1*2. my PDV before charms is 7. makes for 12?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "er"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "unless they round down"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "in which case ccr/2 is 2"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Nope. Mass units and Exalted get to round up."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Guess what, Eff? You just whiffled."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Something about 2 suxx told me I did"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "yeah...that was pretty terrible."

(OOC) Cracked Effigy just spent Essence from its Essence Personal pool

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yeah, but its actually *really* hard to miss in mass combat."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Its a very bloody system, I like it"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright. Stilled, you mentioned something about a counterattack?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "A Charm, to be precise?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "ahh, yeah. Vengeful riposte. Step 9, solar counterattack mirror."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You have to stunt to make it happen. For time's sake, lets assume all stunt happen, and at 2d."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You do not get any motes back, nor any wp for using a personal Charm on your unit."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "However...you get to make a counter-attack."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

(OOC) Stilled Silence just spent Essence from her Peripheral Essence pool

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "which costs 3 motes"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Stilled, your Melee/War + Dex + Acc + Specialty?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "5 + 5 + 6 + 3"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You'll be adding 16 autosuxx to this roll."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "and I know mass combat timing is wonky"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "can I also excellency?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "even though it isn't comboed"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Sure, but you're using a reflexive, so it doesn't matter. Yes, yes you can. Because this is Mass Combat."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Mass combat ignores combo rules?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "We're all DB's in Mass COmbat."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "so it'll be 29 dice + 16 autosuxx."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist nods

(Judge) Stilled Silence rolls 29: [ -1- -1- -1- -1- -1- 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 8 9 <10> <10> <10> <10> ]

        Resulting in 12 successes.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "28 suxx. Eff?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "subpar, but hella better than 2 on 27. :P"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Got any defensive stuff going?"

(OOC) Stilled Silence just spent Essence from her Essence Peripheral pool

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "give me a moment to look"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Only a excellency, lets see what stilled's damage does"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "your dv?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Plus half his unit's CCR, plus double his shield bonus."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "should be the same as mine...the ccr and shield anyways. so +5 from that."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Waiting, dude."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "PDV of 8 + 3 is 11"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Shield bonus is 1?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "So 13?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright, 17 suxx. CCDR of the war ghosts?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "3"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Sorry, 15 suxx, plus the ghost's CCDR, plus your base damage."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, your damage plus 18"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "which is...4 + 4..so 26. minus..."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Eff, what's your soak, plus your unit's armour rating?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Assume lethal."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "unit armor should be 8/3, for 3."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Pretty heavy armour."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "actually, 7/3 accomplishes the same goal"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "which is reinforced bplates, only 2 mobility"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "and 1 fatigue"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Chain Hauberk, only 6L. Armour rating of 2."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "with worse mobility and fatigue"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "I'm just going by what a War Ghost is like in the book."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "ahh"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "still, we know the calculation at least. :)"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You have to be able to figure this stuff out for yourself if you're changing the equipment and give them the porper listings."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "eppers. Eff?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Yup"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "soak"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "We're waiting on your Lethal soak."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Ahh"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "sorry"

Cracked Effigy says, "7L+3 10L"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "so 16 dice of lethal"

(Judge) Stilled Silence rolls: 16 [ 1 2 3 4 5 5 6 6 7 8 9 9 9 9 9 10 ]

         Successes: 8

You say, "Right. Yep. +droll it"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "how average!"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "-.-"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Right. Eff, where would that take you in HL's?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Effigy the character?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "This is counted off of your track."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Ohh."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "odd, effigy's hl are fucked up"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You always put the biggest beefiest guy in charge."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "which is my mistake, I think"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "you should have normal db track, yeah?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Yeah"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "No Oxbody here"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Yet.."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "what's that again, -0, -1 -1 -2 -2 -4 I D D D?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Well, your unit loses a magnitude, because that'd kill you outright, correct?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Ingore anything below Inc."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "That would outright kill me, yes"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You're down to Mag 2"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Ouchie"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "right...more ox-body for me."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "And...Stilled is up on tick 6."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "are there any other aspects of mass combat we haven't touched on?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Well, since you're using undead with perfect Morale, we just blew past the part where Eff would make a morale check."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "oh!"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "For the purposes of understanding lets make a moral check"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods. Assume not-awesome morale.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alright. Morale would be the average Valour of your troops."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Which is?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "3?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Or would be? Let's say 4."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Okay, 3. Stilled called it first."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "they are 3, yeah"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Take the magnitude, subtract the Drill. 3-5. -2. Subtract from the morale of the unit. It's now up to five. Use the magnitude of the unit before effects take place."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "So Moral + Drill - Magnitude?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "The enemy unit is lead by a supernatural being who could kick all your guy's asses, so the diff goes up by one from standard, which makes it a diff 2 check."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Pretty much. Just poorly written int he book."

Cracked Effigy says, "So I'm rolling 5 dice at diff 2?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yep."

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls 5: [ 4 5 6 9 <10> ]

        Resulting in 3 successes.

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Go me, what would have happened on a fail"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "where in morale + drill - magnitude does valor factor in?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Moral is Valor"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Average Valor of the unit"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Average Valour is morale."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "ahh"

Pleasing Sweet Viper pages: Hey mist!

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "It's a pass, so no problem."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Just for informations sake, lets say I failed"

You paged Pleasing Sweet Viper with 'Heya! Whassup? Teaching mass combat here.'.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "On a fail, the unit hesitates. Loses its next action. And by every suxx the roll failed, you lose a dot of magnitude."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "jesus..."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Rout BAD."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Anti rout charms are good"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "so a diff 3 rout check is pretty harsh, eh?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Abyssal War effects that nail Morale are *dangerous*"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yep."

Pleasing Sweet Viper pages: not much really!

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence will keep that in mind.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "And those Solar Charms that give perfect Morale now make sense."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So. Eff, you're down to Mag 2, and Still is able to do something on tick 6."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "That she is"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence will try a combat maneuver, encircling

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "using, in fact, all-consuming encirclement"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "woof"

Cracked Effigy is prepared to be nommed

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence can't nom ghosts, just mortals.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "This is going to have a number of effects, I suspect. Lay out the Charm for us, Stilled."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "basically what it does is lets me envelop equal magnitude (not an issue) gets rid of the -2 external penalty."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "to attempt to disengage costs 5 health levels."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "and any units lost die (but ghosts just dematerialize anyways)"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "they can't be gathered together later. The rest of the effects only apply to mortals."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "brb, letting dogs out"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yeah, that's bad. It turns an encirclement into a meat grinder."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "but the encirclement action itself..."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "sorry, I'm on pdf's atm"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "The Charm, does it have a timing? Otheriwse it is a standard close attack..."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "supplemental"

(OOC) Stilled Silence just spent Essence from her Peripheral Essence pool

(OOC) Stilled Silence just spent Willpower from her Willpower pool

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence is a christmas tree...of emo.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist sighs

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "excellencied again"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "so again it's 29 + 16 auto?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Righto. Been down this road before. Yep."

(Judge) Stilled Silence rolls 29: [ -1- -1- 2 2 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 6 7 7 7 7 8 9 9 9 9 9 9 <10> <10> ]

        Resulting in 15 successes.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "so envelop is actually an attack in addition to the 'force a disengage' ?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "31 suxx. Minus 13. 18 suxx."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Force a disengage? No, it does just the opposite. It makes disengaging *harder*"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "er, yeah"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "And your Charm makes it extraordinarily punishing."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "+8 = 26. - soak of 10 I think it was, or 13?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "13"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I think, no wait 10"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "right, 10. Scrollback. :)"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "13 PDV with the shields."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I'm getting exhausted"

(Judge) Stilled Silence rolls: 16 [ 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 5 5 6 6 6 7 8 8 9 ]

         Successes: 4

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "wewt."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Righto. Sub-par, but you're into -2's on your damage track, and suffering penalties."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Yup"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You're up on 9, Eff."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Hrm,"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Just for mechanics can I Initiate a Duel?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "You can Rally for numbers, essentially regrouping lost members and get your Magnitude back up to three."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "it'd be diff 1, yeah..."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Charisma + War/Performance"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "We've been forgetting exhaustion..."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "t'is true."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "except. Aren't the ghosts tireless? Or is that just zombies."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "I'm not sure."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Zombies I believe. Lets look at exhaustion because we both just have an exhaustion check"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Regardless."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Undead in general lack a biology that makes them susceptible to fatigue."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "But we might fight others, and we are trying to learn Mass Combat. So lets just say we have curiously squishy undead for the moment."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Difficulty of the armour you're unit is wearing. -2 for perfect morale, +2 for being engaged. Charisma + War."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Difficulty 2."

(Judge) Stilled Silence rolls Charisma + War: [ 2 7 7 8 <10> <10> <10> ]

        Resulting in 9 successes.

Stilled Silence>_>

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "A failure knocks a point of endurance off."

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls Charisma + War: [ -1- -1- 2 2 6 6 7 8 9 <10> ]

        Resulting in 5 successes.

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "yeah and we have like 8 endurance."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Running out of Endurance gives your unit a -2 fatigue penalty."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Its good to be dead!"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yeah, only in long drawn-out fights."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "With high mags and rally, I can see this happening"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Same here."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "it's why I like my meatgrinder"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "you can't rally from it."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "or rather, rally from the lost mag."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I like my CtDV... straight dead."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Is that part of the Charm effect, Stilled?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "It says it kills them."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "Additionally, whenever the enveloped unit loses Magnitude as a result of damage, all members lost in the decrease die rather than escaping. This benefit does not affect the resolution of damage against the unit but prevents remnants from being gathered together as reinforcements by any rally action later in the scene."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Under what circumstances?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Gotit."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Nasty. So, Eff, what're you doing?"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I'll try initiating a duel."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Just to see that in action"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Alrighty. Stilled, do you accept?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence does so.

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Then I think we Join Battle."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "And we know how thats going to roll."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence nods

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "What happens if she denies it?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Well, it goes to personal combat. If Stilled did not accept, Eff would have to make an attack without unit bonuses as a called shot on her."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Attacker suffers a penalty of half the Magnitude or Drill, rounded up."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "internal or external?"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "External."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "spicy"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I'll excellency this up"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So, 4 dice penalty. If she were unordered as a unit, it'd be a 3 die penalty."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "External are suxx"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "internal are dice"

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls Dexterity + Martial_arts + 3 + Martial_arts + 3 + 4 + 2: [ -1- -1- 2 3 4 5 5 6 6 6 7 8 8 8 <10> <10> <10> ]

        Resulting in 10 successes.

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I doubt Stilled has a PDV of 6 so I loose."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "yeah..."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yep, she does not accept, and is able to move back into the flow of battle."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "at which point we know how that goes."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Yeah That roller is messed up"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "thats why"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "I don't even use it like that, honestly, cause it's so fucked up."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yeah, that was a decent roll...you're missing dice again, aren't you?"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, " I just pre-calc and roll x dice."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "I have the ability Martial_art, not martial_arts"

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "And I have Martial Arts"

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls 10: [ -1- 2 2 3 4 5 5 8 9 9 ]

        Resulting in 3 successes.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "No martial_arts"

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Yeah I doubt your PDV is 9"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "you sure do..."

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "lemme fix that"

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "actually, base of 9. since I don't have anything up."

Code> You have no dice to roll. Check your spelling?

-= OOC =- Stilled Silence says, "except my aura."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Heh. Miss. By a hair."

(Judge) Hunting Mist rolls Martial arts: [ 2 4 6 8 9 ]

        Resulting in 2 successes.

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "hehe"

(Judge) Cracked Effigy rolls Martial arts + 1: [ 6 ]

        Resulting in a failure.

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "So it goes. Alright, +recc, I'm outta here soonish."

-= OOC =- Cracked Effigy says, "Nght Mist, thanks"

You have added a recommendation for Cracked Effigy

You have added a recommendation for Stilled Silence

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-= OOC =- Hunting Mist says, "Yay, I'm pretty much done."

-= OOC =- Hunting Mist bows to you both

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