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Culture: On the Immaculate Order

Page history last edited by MissMaddy 15 years, 6 months ago

With thanks to Stephen Lea Shepphard, who wrote these:

 

On Anathema

 

Remember, the official Immaculate doctrine on the Anathema includes the idea that the first Anathema used foul Yozi-granted magic to steal power from the sun and moon. Since Immaculate doctrine also includes the idea that these days, Anathema possess human hosts by destroying their souls, I'm guessing there's something in there about how modern Anathema are just the ancient spirits of the original, Yozi-taught, power-stealing Anathema, jumping from body to body ever since the Immaculate Dragons destroyed their original bodies.

 

On Worship

 

There are some big misconceptions about how the Immaculate Order works, and the chapter about it in the Blessed Isle book doesn't really help to clear them up. Chief amongst them is the idea that when the Immaculate Order says "worship," it means the same thing that the game mechanics do when they say "worship."

The game mechanical definition of worship is something like "Any veneration of a being that provides that being with Essence as per the rules in the Cult background." The Immaculate Order's definition of worship, on the other hand, is something like "Any personal communion between a mortal and a god."

According to the game mechanical definition of worship, mortals in Immaculate-controlled areas actually worship the gods quite a lot. They just call it "veneration," they do it in a very distant, impersonal way, they only do it during public holidays organized by the Immaculates, and they only direct their veneration to the gods the Immaculates tell them to direct their veneration towards. The immaculates don't consider this worship, the mortals don't consider this worship, but the gods who get Essence from it do consider it worship, and they're fully aware that they're only getting it because the Immaculates let them get it.

How this worship is actually doled out is left unstated in canon, except that we know it varies from place to place. Mostly the local Immaculate congregation will get its veneration directed at whatever local gods the local Immaculates (or their bosses) think should be powerful, but I would imagine that a lot of the really big, heavenly deities, such as the Incarnae and the bureau heads, get perfunctory prayers at the beginning or end or near the middle or whatever of almost all seasonal Immaculate-sponsored festivals.

None of this has anything to do with Dragon-Blooded Immaculates emulating the Immaculate Dragons, which people seem to get confused with the whole "worship" thing on a regular basis.

It also doesn't have a lot to do with the regular prayers engaged in by Immaculate monks. The monks supplement the seasonal veneration-fests with constant prayer -- it's basically their jobs to sit around in temples and pray all day. They pray, again, to whomever their bosses tell them to pray to, which is usually whatever local gods the Immaculate Order as a whole thinks should be on the payroll, but (again again) they also do a lot of praying to the big, important Celestial deities that the Immaculate Order's Sidereal bosses want to keep happy. This includes the Incarnae.

 

Comments (3)

Jagurandi said

at 6:28 am on Oct 28, 2008

About the, "On the Question - Is the Immaculate Order Really That Wrong?" section... to be honest, it sounds like a irl personal rant against Empires as opposed to a primer on Exalted culture. Further, the section doesn't seem to be presenting a global view, but rather an extremely biased understanding which really seems to alter and kill much of the drama that Exalted allows for. For instance: "you have to sort of buy into the idea that moral relativisim is kinda bunk," doesn't seem to be true at all. Going through the sidereal and DB manuals, the writers go out of there way to make the point that everyone involved thinks that they are /right/. Chejop Kejak sees what became of Creation and he still (essentially) thinks that he was right. The Immaculate Order does what it does not because they just love being mean, but because they think that they are saving Creation. "Keeping the trains running," is a very big deal in the Age of Sorrows... you're playing for all the marbles at this point. If the trains don't run, the game is over, Creation ends and there is nothing.
The thrust of my point if this, if I may be so bold: the, "On the Question - Is the Immaculate Order Really That Wrong?" section as it stands doesn't seem to present an unbiased depiction of the moral status of the Immaculate Order or the Exalted setting in general. It also comes across (to me at least) as an irl rant against Empire. Further, I don't think it would be very helpful to those who are new to the setting or otherwise coming to the page for some info on the culture of the Immaculate Order.

MissMaddy said

at 7:12 am on Oct 28, 2008

Removed! I came across that thread on RPGnet while working, thought I might port it over here. Didn't realize it'd be objectionable.

Jagurandi said

at 7:39 am on Oct 28, 2008

I didn't mean to imply that it was objectionable... just that it wasn't objective. It would be great as a meta-basis (because of it's irl elements) for an IC belief, but not so great for a primer, imho. :)

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